AP World Post #6

What was the number one factor that led to the decline of the Islamic empires of this time period? Be sure to support your answer and challenge others.

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  1. The main reason that the gun powder Muslim empire has decided and cease to exist was invasions as well as the inability to keep control of their governments. The ottomans were unable to keep control of their large land as well as lost battles against Spain. Many of the government officials stole money from the people and unable to give that money to the government. Similarity the Safavid were attacked by Afghani tribes as well as The corruption of Abbas who killed all of his sons in order to stay on the throne. The Mughal had no successor as well as the inability to keep the governors in check.

      • I also think that the Ottomans fell because of over extension. They didn’t have a way of maintaining their entire empire.

    • I agree they were unable to control their governments because they started to raise inflation for subjects and take the money for themsleves. The ottomans also could not control their land because it was too large.

    • The part where Abbas killed all his sons was a very big deal and reminded me of when sons would kill each other for the throne.

    • I agree with the fact that the empires weren’t able to keep up with their own necessities, but I don’t believe that the invasions played a very major part in comparison to the governmental problems such as succession.

    • I would not neccesarily say invasions caused their downfall but more towards your point on their inability to control their governments.

      • I agree as well. The ottams did have an over expanded empire but the invasions were not a problem. More of the Ottams can not control their big government which led to a downfall

    • I agree that invasions did have an impact on the decline of each empire. Due to the inability to control territories by government, these three empires had a decline. The invading nations saw that the empires were not as strong which led to them wanting to and succeeding in taking over territories and the overall decline of the empires.

  2. The main reasons that the gun powder Muslim empires fell were a lack of infrastructure, invasion, or no line of successors. The Ottomans fell through a lack of infrastructure, and no clear line of succession. The Savafids fell because of invasions by the Afghani tribes. And the Mughals fell because of invasion by the Europeans, and Imperialism

  3. The main reason that the gun powder Muslim empires fell was due to a lack of a line of successors, invasions, and unable to control large amount of land they owned. As well as the constant fighting over Constantinople led to all of their downfalls eventually.

    • I agree that the line of successors ad inability to control their land definitely led to their decline. I also think that the fact that the Ottoman empire focused so highly on warfare that they ended up disregarding other aspects, also played a big role in their decline.

    • I agree that the size of land they controlled was a factor to their downfall. This was because they could not defend their land from invasion.

  4. The number one factor that lead to the decline was gun powder and their lack of government. The ottomans were unable to control the amount of land they had and the Mughals had failed due to all the invasions. The ottomans had also depended on conquest and had an insufficient infrastructure.

  5. The main reason why the gunpowder empires fell was because of not being able to keep control of the empire itself. The Ottomas couldn’t keep control of their vast lands. The Safavids fell due to invasions from inside and outside of the government.The Mughals fell because of having no successors to the throne.

    • This point is definitely very true, and each empire was most likely unable to keep control of their territory because of leadership struggles, as shown with the Mughals.

      • I agree on the instability in their leadership because that helped contribute to the fact that there was a lack of control in their empires

  6. The main reason for the decline and eventual fall of the Islamic empires of this empire was the inability to maintain internal affairs within their empires.The Ottomans fell because of their overextended boundaries and were incapable of maintaining their large empire in the late 1600’s. The Mughal empire fell because of poor rulers leading to peasant revolt.

    • While I agree that internal affairs led to decline I feel that the main reason especially in the Ottoman Empire was the lack leadership

    • While I agree that internal affairs led to the ultimate fall I feel that the main reason especially in the Ottoman Empire was the lack leadership which dripped down to internal affairs and damaged overall economy and other sectors of the imperial structure

  7. I think that the main reason for the decline of the Islamic empires was the fact that they would kill their own heirs just to keep their throne as long as possible as they could.

  8. The main reason that the gunpowder empires declined was due to focusing too much on certain aspects of their society. In the Ottoman empire they had a military based society and they expanded their territory to the point where they could no longer control all of it. In the other empires there were also disputes with the line of successors. This resulted in peasant refutes which declined the empire.

    • Though focusing on the wrong parts of their society was a problem, this stemmed from poor leadership, which was the main reason for the empires decline.

      • Not only was poor leadership a factor in the decline of the three empires but, I would also say a lack of adaptability in the empires as for example, the ottomans did not utilize European technological advancements because they saw Europeans as inferior. But, I do agree that overall there was awful leadership besides the occasional “great” ruler.

  9. The main reason for Islamic decline was civil unrest caused by insufficient leadership and infrastructure as the ottoman had no successor and disputes rose dividing the dynasty

  10. All three empires declined along with the weakening and loss of effectiveness of their monarchs and bureaucracy’s. As each ruler became weaker and weaker, the empires slowly became further embroiled in the power struggles of siblings and other officials, meaning many of the necessary things needed to keep an empire alive were neglected. These internal battles left each empire highly susceptible to attack, and each one fell or was destroyed by outside forces.

    • I agree that succession disputes were definitely a cause to the declining of the empire. For example, the Ottomans focused on warfare which led them to expand their territory beyond their ability to control. This made their government weak and eventually led to their decline.

    • I agree. After many different people rulering each empire, there was a weaker ruler coming into power. All of these empires started off strong but then led to a decline from different successors and the dispute for ruling which has led to each empires decline.

  11. The number one factor that led to the decline of the Islamic empires was lack of efficiency within each individual government. All of the empires fell because they lacked the means to run the governments correctly. There were holes in succession, defense, and social structure. For example, in the Mughal empire, internal uprisings occurred due to the neglected social reforms. Which gave way to the Marattas and Sikhs. This is just one example of how lack of efficiency within the government can lead to one’s own destruction.

    • I agree with you that if the governments were more efficient in the ways that they ruled there empires they might have lasted longer.

  12. The main reason for the fall of the Islamic empires was they were not prepared. Most of the empire were not ready to fight off invaders. Also not all of them had a clear line of successors, because of this the Islamic empires fell.

    • I agree with this because the empires were so big it lead to many invasions. There was simply no structure to prepare themselves for how to fight off an invasion.

  13. The main factor that lead to the decline of Islamic empires was lack of government and leadership struggles. With the Ottoman empire being so big there was no structure to maintain it and the Mughals having no successors lead to a decline for both.

  14. The reason the Islamic empires fell was due to their lack of control overall control in their governments. There was no clear succession plan, their boundaries were overextended to the point where they couldn’t really unify their nation as seen with the Ottomans, and leadership became weak to the point where the empires couldn’t sustain their internal conflicts that ultimately contributed to their downfall.

  15. I believe that the number one factor in the fall of the three Muslim empires was mainly related to the lack of a strong infrastructure with set rules that decided important disputes such as who will succeed a ruler. The succession problem in all three empires was a huge issue and led to corruption and rulers not paying attention or caring about their empire, they only cared about their lavish desires. If there were sets of rules and laws that lay out exactly who and how someone will be chosen as an heir, such as the system in place in the U.S., there would be much more strength and stability in the government of these three empires. MNy of the rulers were also simply bad at ruling, one cause of this was when the empires started locking up successors in the palace. This kept them safe but took away the important experience needed to be a proper ruler.

    • Well Ethan, you say that the main reason why the three Islamic Empires fell was because of the lack of infrastructure in the government. Which I totally agree with. However, you also mentioned that the empires also declined simply due to the inexperience of their rulers. Did you ever thought about why they forced their future heirs to stay in the palace? It was entirely out of safety. That if the ruler ventured out of the palace they could be killed and the line of succession could be thrown out of balance and chaos would be erupted. Thus, by keeping the rulers safe within palace walls, the future kings would be out of danger and anarchy avoided. They also were educated within the castle by royal scholars. Which did not completely leave the future rulers uneducated about their kingdom.

      • I agree, the rulers of the Islamic empires were very week and weren’t able to help their empires. This caused the empires to have weak bureaucracies and corruption.

  16. I think one of the reasons the Islamic empires fell was because they were not able to control their governments and sustain them. This was because they grew too big and they couldn’t handle their own size. Another reason was that they had succession problems. When a new ruler would take the throne they would usually be lazy and not care about their empire, which led to corruption.

    • I also concur that another main reason why the three Islamic Empires declined was because they over extenuated their territories. For example, the Ottoman Empire. It was a large state that was broken into way too many little regions. Thus, hindering the state’s government the ability to effectively control their country.

    • I also concur that another main reason why the three Islamic Empires declined was because they over extenuated their territory. For example, the Ottoman Empire. It was a large state that was broken down into way too many little regions. Thus, hindering the government’s ability to effectively run their country.

    • I agree with you on how you brought up how the Islamic Empires simply grew to large for them to handle and along with government issues overall lead to their decline.

  17. The main reasons for the gun powder Islamic empires down fall were a lack of infrastructure, inability to keep up with technological advancements, economic decline,and invasion. These factors gave the Islamic empires a major disadvantage when it came to trading or going to war with other developed civilizations. Some other factors that led to the Islamic empires decline include the rulers inability to run a empire effectively and their addiction to luxury.

  18. The number one factor that led to the decline of the Islamic Gun Powder Empires of this time period lack of quality government. The Ottoman would spread all over to have more territory but was not able to keep a central government power, which in turn led to their decline. The Safavid Empire declined due to lack of successors from killing heirs to be on the throne longer. The Mughals had a decline in power due to the leaders intolerance for other religions in practice.

  19. What led to the decline of the Islamic empires was the lack of a strong government and overexpansion (Ottomans) The Safavids lacked the reliability of successors and the Mughals had religious tension which led to their decline.

    • I agree with your statement on inability to find successor because they did not have a clear bureaucracy which caused revolts. Also over expansion is a critical subject in the decline of the gunpowder empires.

  20. The main reason for the decline in the Islamic Empires is the inability to adapt with the advancements in technology. The islamic empires relied on conservative military organizations to run their militaries such as the janissaries. These groups used their military and political influence to discourage adoption of European technologies in order to stay in power. Not only this but, the Islamic Empires all refused to pay attention to western advancements as they were seen as inferior due to them not following their own beliefs.

    • I agree with you but I feel like their inabilities to keep up with western advancements was not the main cause of their declines. The unstable and powerless governments were the main cause.

  21. The main reason for the decline of Islamic empires was invasions and the inability to have successors. Much like the Russian era, the gunpowder empires were unable to define a clear successor which would lead to interna revolts and a diminution of the government. Without a strong bureaucracy, the empires fell. Also their military was not strongly centralized which allowed for easy invasions.

    • I agree. Since the empires had bad successors they had very poor government which led to them becoming weak and unstable.

    • Your comments are truthful Christian. There were many invasions and internal issues that greatly contributed to the downfall of these Muslim empires.

  22. The main reason for the decline of the Islamic empires was over expansion, and the fact that there was too much cultural diversity especially in the Ottoman empire. Another major cause of the decline were internal revolts due to poor leadership techniques. Finally their militaries were unable to stop invasions from other nations

  23. The main reason for the decline of Islamic empires was the lack of an organized government. The Ottomans over expanded and that led to a lack of central power. The safavids killed their successors in fear of losing the throne. The mughals had a decline in power due to the intolerance of other religions by their leader.

  24. The number one factor that lead to the decline was gun powder and their lack of government. The ottomans were unable to control the amount of land they had and the Mughals had failed due to all the invasions. The ottomans had also depended on conquest and had an insufficient infrastructure.

  25. The main reason the Muslim Empires declined was a lack of good leaders in the government. Throughout all the empires weak rulers were seen and recorded. As their governments lost power and control, their militaries and territories declined. If the empires had strong and tactical leaders, they might have lasted longer.

  26. The main reasons why the Muslim empires declined was because of the lack of infrastructure and there was no line of successors. The ottomans expanded there territory too far and were not able to defend from invasions. Their governments were also corrupt and basically their empire did not improve.

    • I agree with your comments Terrell. The Ottomans especially did not have enough control to sustain such a large empire. The successors and infrastructure issues were also a big reason in the downfall.

    • I agree with your comments Terrell. The Ottomans especially did not have enough control to sustain such a huge empire. They had a poor internal government which was a major reason in the downfall.

  27. The main reason for the decline of all Islamic empires was due to nit being able to control their government. The fact that the over whelming land that the Ottomans obtained they could not handle, the lack of successors, and new powers the made the Mughals fall as well seems to be to the lack of government efficiency.

  28. The Ottams lacked control over multiple occasios. They could not control their government as well as their over expansion. With having a huge empire, they did not have a controlled government.

  29. The number one factor that led to the decline of the Islamic empires if this time period was that there was no successors in line and there was a serious lack of infrastructure. They could not sustain empires so large, especially with the Ottomans. There was also internal revolts that contributed to the downfall of these empires.

    • I agree with you but I think that both the internal and external factors that the Muslim empires dealt with triggered the downfall of the empires. For example, the external factors like outside attacks and invasions also contributed into the fall of the empires.

  30. I believe that the main reason for the fall of Muslim empires was being spread thin and not having enough government resources to sustain the empire. The empire was just too large to control and thus, it fell apart.

  31. The Muhgal empire’s decline was mainly caused due to it’s instability and weak government. This lead the empire to be easily conquered, and fully declined. Their lack of control led to their ultimate decline

  32. The Muslim empires fell due to internal conflict from both corrupt government and rebellions. They continued to expand their empires despite the fact their power bases weren’t fully consolidated. This left them weak as the majority of the troops were fighting, leaving only a few to quell rebellions. The amount of soldiers needed to police the empire were also understaffed and undertrained, letting them collapse from the inside out.

  33. The Muslim empire declined mostly due to a lacking central government and lack of successors to the throne. Due to this many other things began to ripple out of this such as their military beginning to fail. With a lesser miltiary the Muslim Empires were open to outside invasions. However with proper throne succession, I think the Muslim empire could have lasted a lot longer.

  34. The number one factor for the fall of the Islamic empires were a lack of government sustainability and they could not control their expansion especially with a downfall of government.

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